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Post by leighton on Oct 29, 2008 20:10:22 GMT 1
Just a quick one which I really hope there's someone in the know who can shine light on the situation...
I've been having problems with a car that has less than a good rep! After many recorded mail letters, they picked it up to take it to their workshop for further inspection by an engineer. The engineer who was paid by them made a report which damns me and favours the rogue car sales. There are many concerns like a dent in the wing which wasn't there when the car left my property and is now, also, the dirty discs due to the car not being driven for weeks are now shiny!!! The engine should not be started can I add as there is no oil in it at all.
Anyway, the thing I need an opinion on is this. When the car left my property, I recorded the mileage - When it was returned, it had one mile LESS on it and all the trip meters have been reset!!! I was under the impression that digital speedo's tamper proof. Is this true or can they be clocked?
Please please do not explain to me how it is possible if this is the case as I do not want the knowledge or anything that can connect me to the ability to do so.
Many thanks all.
Leighton.
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Post by leighton on Oct 29, 2008 20:11:36 GMT 1
AMMENDMENT - The car doesn't have less than a good rep! I meant to say the garage I bought it from does. Take a guess which one...
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Post by braceuself on Oct 29, 2008 20:21:34 GMT 1
what car is it?
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Post by leighton on Oct 29, 2008 20:28:27 GMT 1
Alfa Romeo 147 Selespeed - 2004 model.
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Post by byron101 on Oct 29, 2008 20:45:05 GMT 1
the garage concerned were on the ferret last week + say they threatened with watchdog + ferret etc many times a week, see other 2 threads about it + believe it is possible to clock digital odometers but can't say 100% ( only wa been told )
get an independant engineers report ( not 1 paid for by them )
know there a firm in cardiff that do it + think they were called davies
hope this helps
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Post by leighton on Oct 29, 2008 21:11:34 GMT 1
Thanks boycie, just read and replied to your other post on anyone know their stuff about MOT's. Check it out.
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Post by braceuself on Oct 29, 2008 21:17:24 GMT 1
they can be done.had a pug that had it done.apparently if the speedo make is jaeger the needle on the speedo doesnt move smoothly if its been tampered with.
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Post by byron101 on Oct 29, 2008 21:40:14 GMT 1
hope the pm sent helps mate
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Post by leighton on Oct 29, 2008 21:52:34 GMT 1
Boycie, it is of great help - Thak Ju for me.
Phil J, would you happen to know if this Bailey character still works there or was it a post you read somewhere?
What I'm suggesting with the brake discs now shiny which weren't before and one mile LESS on the clock than when it left my property is they've made any problem alot lot worse than it was originally.
Their independant report cliams that the oil filter is brand new therefore, whoever changed it is to blame. I'm telling you now that the oil filter on the car is the same one as the one on there when we picked the car up. They're records apparently show that they haven't bought one of that make and model number 3 months after my purchase so I would like to be able to prove the age of the filter some how - anyone have any ideas?
Twice the car has been to them, and twice it's been returned in worse condition. They will get their comupance - I never back down when I'm right - NEVER.
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Post by byron101 on Oct 29, 2008 22:01:03 GMT 1
i worked for many yrs as a superviser in a very large car parts warehouse + only thing i can think of to show a possible date is it it has a batch number on the filter ( possibly by oil seal ) but dont remember ever noticeing 1 before but then again never looked for 1 either. if ever we had product recalls we always could tell by the batch numbers etc + should imagine there is 1 somewhere on the filter. get intouch with the supplier + enquire etc but dont mention the court case incase it can deter them from getting involved etc. if there is a batch number the manufacturer should be able to give you a rough date as to when purchased. make sure got the filter number etc i.e ( C102 ) etc if champion make as example I.E PH4558 IF FRAM ETC
hope this helps mate
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Post by paul on Oct 30, 2008 0:47:26 GMT 1
Ferkin Elll.............says it all TCW won't be long trading at Neath...........I know he has bought a site up Merthyr......
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Post by paul on Oct 30, 2008 0:55:15 GMT 1
Quick newsflash........Bailey has stopped offering or selling waranties at his scrapper part x site trade n save as it's costing in thousands............also the warranty companies are stopping underwritting his warranties at TCW in Neath !
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Post by leighton on Oct 30, 2008 8:38:21 GMT 1
Also been informed that Llanelli Trade Centre has been seen to have TCW unused badges in their office!!! Dunno 100% if this is true but my mate has no reasons to tell fibs - he saw them, knew the troubles I was having, walked out and went bought a car from else where, so....
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Post by miniandmodels on Oct 30, 2008 10:50:10 GMT 1
As for clocking digital speedos, it is very easy and i know the guy who clocks the cars for TCW. You are allowed to do it legally, this is called "mileage correction". Its incase you change clocks and want it to read the correct mileage. Of course it also very easy to decrease the mieage too.
The AA or RAC have equipment that can check if this procedure has been done and when. Worth giving them a call and get them to put it in writting that it has had the mileage tamperred with.
Jamie......
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Post by byron101 on Oct 30, 2008 11:03:09 GMT 1
i thought you can do it but was'nt 100% sure
was gonna buy a car from tcw before + so glad i did'nt after reading these posts + all i have heard since.
think TREVOR should take a running jump now + not tell people he sent them ;D
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Post by leighton on Oct 30, 2008 22:38:29 GMT 1
Thats great news on my behalf I believe miniandmodels. I am having an ex alfa mechanic (alfa trained) who is now a mechanics college lecturer look at the car on the weekend to give me his opinion and see if the speedo does give the tell tale signs of tampering - Luckily, he's a friend of a friend so hopefully wont cost me a bomb!
Boycie - A quite knowledgeable guy I have spoken to today explained that there is a test that can indeed determin the age/ mileage adhered by the oil filter. As he explains it, somebody will come out, takes the filter off the car, takes it apart and then takes the center out which then gets sent to a lab for the quantity of metallics in the cone thingy. Something along the lines of when the oil is passing through the filter, then so do miniscule bits of metal with it. The oil is then checked for the quantity of metal in it and some form of equations are then done from that to determin the mileage done with that filter on the car!!!
Also, spoke to Trading Standards today who I told that the engineer I spoke to, which TCW suggested, had told me he done work for the police and trading standards themselves - they replied that quite a few people have told them this and indeed isn't nor ever has been the case! So all, be aware of an independant engineer by the name of Chris Williams who's company name is VCS, he's from bridgend.
I really thank everyone for for their input so far and will keep you all updated to any progress (any being the key word there) in the near future.
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Post by leighton on Oct 30, 2008 22:41:07 GMT 1
Miniandmodels... You say you know the guy who clocks the cars at TCW, I really hope he ain't a buddy buddy of yours is he?
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Post by miniandmodels on Oct 30, 2008 23:29:21 GMT 1
Oh No. No friend of mine, just know of him as he used to clock, or should i say correct the mileage on the cars at the garage.
Im sure the AA only charge about £25 for a check and they test by plugging a device into the EOBD conector of the ecu. The mileage is recorded directly into that and will tell their gadget if its been tampered with.
Jamie......
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